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- Editor's Note: Minutes received 8/14
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- CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
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- Reported by Gene Hastings/PSC
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- Minutes of the Network Joint Management Working Group (NJM)
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- Agenda
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- o Follow-up on Past Actions
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- - Matt Mathis' presentation on BGP is available via anonymous ftp
- from a.psc.edu as psc-bgp-utilization.ps
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- - Many operators have adopted the canonical trouble mailboxes
- previously discussed in NJM (net-trouble@your.net, net-
- trouble@noc.your.net) but the practice is not yet ubiquitous.
- Part of the reason is a range of system organization.
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- - If you haven't submitted an entry to Dan Long's online
- phonebook, DO IT!
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- o Operational Implications of NSF Recompete.
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- - While it is not yet clear what the impact will be, it IS clear
- that the NSF backbone recompete has the potential for great
- change in the operations and practices of the Regional Network
- Operators. Operations and engineering personnel should be
- following the developments and considering ramifications.
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- - Subscribe to the NSF recompete mailing list:
- recompete-request@nsf.gov. Related papers are available on
- expres.cise.nsf.gov.
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- - Look at the papers on expres.cise.nsf.gov, in remcompete/
- Aiken-Braun-Ford, impl.ps - Aiken presentation to FNCAC,
- Aiken_HPCC_NREN.ps - Draft solicitation.
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- o Operational Implications of Addressing Changes. Dan Jordt - small
- campus given N class C nets, but cannot (or will not) run 8 bit
- subnets. router use on same net? ARP hacks?
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- - How does an operator handle N class C(s) when a site can not or
- will not run 8 bit subnets?
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- - There are numerous tricks, such as ARP hacks/router interface
- hacks etc.
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- - There was agreement of all assembled that there is a need to
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- really explore ways to do this and collect experiences.
- Unfortunately, the IP Addressing BOF was scheduled in Parallel,
- so discussion was limited. A crossover attendee said that the
- BOF was focusing on a recent paper (Rekhter/Li), but there was
- little notion yet of what its consequences might be.
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- o OpStats - Are you doing it? What stands in your way? What help do
- you need? Money available for statistics software from FARNET/NSF.
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- - Action Item - Ittai Hershman volunteered to speak to NYSERnet
- about releasing into the public domain the old SNMP software
- and relaxing license agreements.
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- - Several folks complained that there is no statistics gathering
- package freely (or cheaply) available. The free SNMP libraries
- are only that, and complete packages, where they are
- affordable, tend to be highly platform dependent for displays
- or for other libraries.
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- o New Services - How to operate and debug services.
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- - Do you operate any?
- - Do you support, debug them?
- - WAIS
- - ARCHIE
- - GOPHER
- - AFS
- - Do you need map of logical service topology?
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- It is the case that network operators are called upon more and more
- to troubleshoot services above the transport layer, and a
- proliferation of new services to troubleshoot. (DNS, NFS, NTP,
- NNTP, BITNET II, WAIS, Gopher, Archie, etc.) There was agreement
- that maps of service topologies would be of great value in network
- operations, but there were no dramatic ideas on conventions or
- format.
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- o Scuttlebutt
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- - Tom Easterday of CICnet announced that as of July 1 1992, ANS
- is running the CICnet NOC now.
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- - Observations: What should we do with the T-1 network
- connectivity? Matt Mathis observed that the T1-T3
- Interconnects seem to be stable and not critically loaded at
- present, but what will happen to them if sites peering with
- both T# and T1 backbones stop listening to the T1 (this would
- send all of their T1 traffic through the interconnects). The
- decommissioning of the T1 entirely is contingent on the
- availability of CLNP in the T3 backbone, and fallback T1 links
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- for the current T3 ENSSes.
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- - 192.1.1 (a BBN Network) will be discontinued because some
- vendors of medical equipment ship using it as a default host
- network.
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- - Some operators continue to experience random syslog messages
- from hosts that have lost a route to their loopback address.
- Should operators black hole traffic to 127 net to prevent
- wandering syslog messages.
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- - Caution: SURAnet has seen a CISCO applique (``335'' style)
- that will pass even length packets but not odd length.
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- - There was agreement that [the attending] Network Service
- Providers are willing to take on the job of handing out address
- blocks if and when hierarchical schemes might be adopted. Some
- discussion followed as to whether operators should seek large
- block assignments and start handing them out now to get a head
- start on things.
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- Attendees
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- Henry Clark henryc@oar.net
- John Curran jcurran@bbn.com
- Tom Easterday tom@cic.net
- Vince Fuller vaf@stanford.edu
- Eugene Hastings hastings@a.psc.edu
- Ittai Hershman ittai@nis.ans.net
- Wendy Huntoon huntoon@a.psc.edu
- J. Lance Jackson jackson@noc.harvard.edu
- Dan Jordt danj@nwnet.net
- John Labbe labbe@merit.edu
- Hock-Koon Lim lim@po.cwru.edu
- Kim Long klong@sura.net
- Matt Mathis mathis@a.psc.edu
- Kim Mayton mayton@wg.com
- Stephen Miller smiller@bbn.com
- Bill Norton wbn@merit.edu
- Kraig Owen tko@merit.edu
- Bob Page bob.page@eng.sun.com
- Brad Passwaters bjp@sura.net
- Marsha Perrott mlp+@andrew.cmu.edu
- Robert Reschly reschly@brl.mil
- Tim Seaver tas@concert.net
- Erik Sherk sherk@sura.net
- Carol Ward cward@westnet.net
- Evan Wetstone evan@rice.edu
- Chris Wheeler cwheeler@cac.washington.edu
- Paul Zawada Zawada@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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